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Adapt, evolve and participate? Why when we already have Ray Pollard. Some band wagon jumper ain’t going to better Ray. Northern Soul doesn’t need emulating or copying, it doesn’t need changing. What is already there is one reason why it has endured for so long. Always puzzles me why some join a scene and immediately want to change it, therein lies the problem and why it gets so many backs up. Just enjoy it as it is, it doesn’t need to change or copying, especially by a bunch of of soulless brit singers.

Happy Christmas to everyone associated with Soul Source. Special thanks to Mike for another soulful year of the site, including the moderators, and of course to all of my friends who contribute. (Everyone). Lets hope it's peaceful and that everyone stays safe. Peter

Not for me. Black America left us a huge legacy of great soul music that is far from fully discovered even now. The original talents came up with original works. AI would just be basing itself on these recordings and adding nothing new to them

Bit of free time so here is Issue 1 Talk Of The North Issue 1.PDF

Thankfully all the links are tucked away behind paywalls or require signing up to to listen to so hopefully it'll just fade away unnoticed.

My favourite wader the Sanderling.

This record has nothing to do with the progression or keeping the music alive, it is a attempt to make money on the back of a Northern classic and an attempt to get people on here to get the record on to the BBC 2 playlist.

We've had quite a few over the years including quite a few old Black Echoes. I had a few Black Echoes which I gave to Chalky, and he did all the work in scanning and uploading them, along with many others. Chalky spends a fair bit of time sharing stuff like this, along with lots of old cassette tapes which he digitalises and then uploads on different social media platforms. He always does it without any fuss and all for the love of the scene. Well done, and thanks to Karl. Peter

not bad for a 72 year old

Still waiting for the last one to sell but here's the rest. Mystics finished at £335.

Back in Snowdonia earlier this week and I know they had a lot of rain last week, but still shocked to see a Great white shark near to "Lake Australia"(llyn bochlwyd) while walking in the Glyderau Mountains

Some minor squabbling over the Shepards but the rest have sold @ 18:08.

It's hardly keeping the music relevant it is taking Northern Soul into tribute type shows territory. I will stick with the real deal.

Off all the attempted revivals and attempts to attract new comers this has to be the most commercialised and marketed era yet. It’s non stop and coming from a lot of directions. Just typifies the social media world we now live in. please let it stop….

A few years ago, while working with MD Records and conducting Pioneer Studio research, I made a serious effort to delve into "Jimmy Mack" and "In The Pocket Music." The "In The Pocket" team, comprising Mike Valvano, Marty Coleman, and Cholly Bassoline, who frequently used Pioneer Studio for their demos, and Mike Valvano would use their piano. Of this songwriting trio, only Cholly Bassoline is still alive. He later became the manager of Parliament-Funkadelic, though he maintains a low profile and is only occasionally active on Facebook. I managed to get in touch with a female friend of his who worked with him in 2021 at a furniture store in Phillipsburg, NJ. (Yes, he’s still working!) She kindly passed along some messages to Cholly, but unfortunately, he wasn’t able to shed any light on Jimmy Mack’s real identity. Cholly did share some insights about his late colleagues. He said how Marty Coleman tragically died after being hit by a car on Woodward Avenue in Detroit, and how Mike Valvano passed away from a heart attack. He also mentioned that the Palmer Label was owned by Arc-Jay Kay Record Distributors, which was run by John Kaplan. According to his friend, Cholly now lives "under the radar" and doesn’t have much more to share on the subject, nor does he remember the real identity of "Jimmy Mack"...

New born grey seal pup here in Norfolk.

Second Edition Talk of The North Second Edition.PDF

Phil If the goal is to get the single played on the BBC Radio 2, then your best bet is for the band to come out as LGBT. If that's a no, then it still has a better chance of getting played on the Beeb than the other new cover version that's just been released, this is more in tune with most of the age group on this forum. Great lyrics.

Following up on this, Marlin McNicohols managed to get in touch with Cholly Bassoline last night for Me. He said the same thing: he doesn’t remember who “Jimmy Mack” was. He only shared what we already know, explaining that the name "Jimmy Mack" was an alias stage name. The name was took from the popularity of the Martha Reeves track at the time and was chosen for marketing purposes in hope to help sales. It’s likely that the recording artist’s real name has no connection to a “Jimmy” or “James” to make things even more difficult. What did catch my interest, though, is that The Debonaires provided the backing vocals on "My World Is On Fire", which was recorded at United Sound Studio during the summer of 1967, when the Detroit riots were also happening. I followed up with Elsie Gray to see if she remembered anything about the session. She confirmed that she remembers the recording well, but unfortunately, she doesn’t know the real identity of “Jimmy Mack” either. Cholly worked with a man named James Cheers around that time - who also recorded with Bobby Franklin at Pioneer Recording Studio (Late 60s) - but Elsie confirmed it wasn’t him—James was somebody who she knew well. She also added that the other backing singers on that session were Joyce Vincent and Dorothy Garland, and she’s now planning to ask them if they can provide any additional information. Sadly, so much time has passed and the key people involved - Mike Valvano and Marty Coleman - are no longer with us. I did manage to locate Marty Coleman’s sister to ask her about it on the off chance she might remember, though I doubt she knows anything specific about the song. Marty had some personal struggles later in life. I also reached out to Ian Levine, thinking he might know something since he worked with Mike Valvano on the Motorcity Project. However, he said the topic never came up when he met and worked with Mike. Like September Jones, it's another mystery.

Another couple of days in Snowdonia and another reflection on Llyn Gwynant, a bit clearer this time as there was no mist. Also a friendly Robin around Llyn Elsi

Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year everyone - lets hope it's a good one for all of us. xx

Fourth Edition. If anyone has Issue 3 they wish to get rid of give us a shout. Contribution to the letters page from @Dave Moore and Rod Shard @Modernsoulsucks in the mags. Talk of The North Fourth Edition.PDF

Many have heard of Northern Soul; but, those that understand it are the Chosen Few! Excuse the pun. Peter

I think the desperation to be 18 and have access to the adult world of pubs and clubs will happen forever with all generations. Sneaking in underage has some kudos to share stories with your mates. Exactly Its an embarrassment to all that’s good about rare soul and the rare soul scene.

Over £1000 is a high price for a rare but inferior version of "The Same Old Thing" by The Olympics. This version sounds duller, and has less of an exciting production, than the standard released classic to me. I suppose it's something different to play!

Tonight's results , saved at 18:15 so some may have been paid for and removed from the list by then.

Wendy posted a picture yesterday on FB of herself and Dave in christmas jumpers

Merry Xmas all

Think it was in dollars so would have been just over £1000. It’s a £7000 rare record.. send it to Yann for a spruce up. Knob of superglue and a polish up bobs your uncle Fanny’s your aunt

You’ve been going since 1974 and it seems you still don’t get it? Commercialisation, the trivialisation and imitation has always been frowned upon. I know loads under 60, I’ve nearly 2 years to go before I hit 60, they’ve all embraced the scene for what it is, all the records were new ay one time and never did anyone feel it had to evolve. The youngsters seem to be doing a good job at several clubs without resorting to tribute acts etc. the tribute acts are aimed at a completely different audience, the kind of people I went to nighters to get away from. And if you think royalties are getting paid 100% then you need to give your head a wobble.

If I ran a nighter all phones would have to be left in the cloakroom upon entry or you wouldn't get in ...

I suspect Peter it's already happening , you've only got to listen to some of the recent releases on a certain label from deepest Leicestershire , aimed at the dance floor , limited copies making them cherishable , until the next batch is released . Answer don't buy them !!

There is still loads of stuff out there I have never heard or own to keep me going for the rest of my life, I suppose if your taste in soul is mainly northern maybe most of the stuff is out there ? but my taste in soul is all sorts so al is never going to be needed to get my fix still loads to hear and be amazed at for me.

I was asked to play a few at STEWARTBY SC on Saturday 30 November. Here is my offering. Ernest Mosley Stubborn heart The Appointments I saw you there Kenny Carlton Lost and found. Martels Where can my baby be Frankie Beverley If thats what you wanted Mr Soul What happened to yesterday Timmie Williams Competition Professionals Thats why I love you Blue jays Point of view Sound Masters Lonely lonely Ascots Another day Lenny Curtis Nothing can help you now Jimmy Reed I aint going nowhere Celest Hardie You're gone Bitter and Sweet I wont have any babies for you Rhonda Davis Can you remember Ambassadors Good love gone bad Les Chansonettes Dont let him hurt you Brooks Bros Looking for a woman Yvonne Vernee Just like you did me Groovettes Think it over baby Calvin Grayson Love just begun Irma and the Larks Without you baby Elbie Parker Please keep away from me Limitations I'm lonely I'm troubled Cecil Washington I dont like to lose Ty Karim You just dont know Many thanks for the invite. Late of the Bedford parish always good to meet up with friends. Regards Steve Foran

It's a big NO from me. It's the perversion of an (original) art form.

All prices in pounds- All U.S. releases except where noted- Al Williams- " I Am Nothing" La Beat DJ- 6680 Rotations- "A Changed Man" - Frantic DJ - 452 E. Lampkin/ Invaders- "Music Turn Me Loose" - Earth- 408 Al McCarther- "His True Love For You" - Two Guitars- !005 Benny Spellman- "This Is My Love For You" - Alon (Manship Mint) - 198 Topics- "She's So Fine" - Carnival DJ- 176 Billy Keene- "Wishin' And Hopin" - Vault- 295 Dena Barnes- "If You Ever..." - Inferno DJ - 756 Jeffrey Allen- "Dilly Dilly" - Mala- 210 Lester Tipton/ Masqueraders- "This Won't Change"/ "How" - Grapevine U.K. DJ- 95 Master Plan- "(The Girl In) Clinton Park" - Fos-Glo- 116 Mr. Flood's Party- "Compared To What" Ember U.K. DJ- 212 Jimmy Armstrong..... - "You're Getting Next To Me Baby"- Brothers 3- 128 John Drevar's Expression- "The Closer She Gets" MGM U.K. DJ- 1007 Bileo- "You Can't Win" - MTU/ Watts City- 715 Majestics- "I Love Her So Much..." Linda DJ- 510 Shawn Robinson- "My Dear Heart' - Minit- 446 Olympics- "The Same Old Thing" ( mispress with alt. version) - Mirwood- 1005

Perhaps that famous Saudi collector Sheikh "Rattle n'Roll" will buy it!!

All prices in pounds, all U.S. issues unless noted- William Cummings- "Make My Love ..." Bang Bang - 2366 Len Jewell- "All My Good Lovin' " PZAZZ- 699 Johnny McCall- "I Need You" Alteen DJ 951 Joe Bataan- "Gypsy Woman" Fania DJ 210 High Keyes- "Livin' A Lie" Verve DJ 913 Herb Ward- "Strange Change" Argo 870 Papa Bear and the Cubs "You're So Fine- SMS 5618 Bill Griffin- "Tryin' To Run A Game..." Naptown 445 Mighty Lovers- Mighty Lover" Boo-Ga-Loo 284 (yellow label) Dobie Gray- "Out On The Floor" REO (Canada) 348 Mark IV - "It's So Easy" Champ 368 Kenny Shepard- "What Difference..." MAXX 430 Larry Atkins- "Ain't That Love..." Highland 420 Charles Brandy- "Without Your Love' Blue Cat DJ 1217 ** Ad Libs - "N.Y. In The Dark" A.G.P. 394 Lou Johnson- "Unsatisfied" U.K. London 145 Sam & Kitty "I've Got Something Good" 4 Bros, DJ 348 (pre- Atco distribution) Timothy Wilson- "I Must Love You" Sky-Disc 516 Stoppers- "Come Back Baby" Jubilee 262 **may have gone higher- paid for immediately

Haven't seen mention on here but have just seen on a music site the sad passing at 89 Sugar Pie DeSanto on the 20th Dec. Soulful Dress was a must have in my group of friends when I first started collecting.

This record does it for me. A giant in Soul Music and beyond. Sugar Pie DeSanto RIP.

Merry Christmas to the admin and all Soul Source members.

And there was their inaugural video interview with Dave Nathan posted at the end of October that I can't see anywhere on the forum as yet Mike. Here's the link to put where you see fit.

It's that time of year again. Something I put together last year...I know it's simple... but I'm a fan of simple and the banal.

Just for the Record (yes i will take that as a pun Ha Ha) It was far better than lot of Pop Drivel that was played on the Scene over the years and judging by that from comments on the thread so far, Dave Thorley Played it on the Dodgy Acetate,Chalky and myself were playing it off the LP and like me must have had many people up to the Turntables to see what was being played, Rob5airborne was Chasing it to find out it's identity and been Bugging him for over 30 years Rated it as a 'Absolutely Blinding Track' Blackpoolsoul has been trying to gleam some information on Allan Scott and seems there is just nothing out there about him, but thanks for all your efforts **So yes, for a 'Quality Pop Record' it certainly got the Juices Flowing Back Then & Now It Would Seem**

Never to be heard again

One of those records for me that takes you right back in time; I'm sure I'm not alone. Had, has the ability to make the back of the hairs stand up. Three back street blues and you're there. Edit. Actually, it is worth saying that this record was a huge northern soul record. Packed dance floors everywhere back in the day. And still has "it".

Why doesn't someone ask Richard why he thinks they are the same person. Who told him that, or where did he read it. I remember several rumours that got around to so many people that many people believed that they must have been true. But they could have ALL originated with a couple collectors surmising (guessing) that from a falsely-interpreted clue, or a coincidence that made it seem unlikely to not be true - such as 4 or 5 clues lining up almost perfectly. Think of the case of the 2 Frank Wilsons both working for Motown at the same time with both having been working in L.A. and starting their songwriting and producing careers there. I can't count how many times we've asked Detroiters who were active participants in the music industry during the '60s about obscure artists, and they even remember working on the recording session in question, and still didn't remember, or ever even know the artist's real name or the names of individual group members, etc. It's always great when many, many years after the first time searching for the answers to similar questions, one of us actually finds irrefutable documentation of the true answer. Of course, the further in years that we move away from those times, the fewer of these late true answers will be coming forth. Many of these questions will never be answered. I've forgotten a LOT myself, that I've never written down.

Just as I remembered, Jimmy Soul Clark's singing voice has a heavy nasal quality, and he sings in a slightly higher register than Jimmy Mack, who has a deeper quality, sort of in the background. I think the latter could do well in baritone parts, whereas Jimmy Clark would have strained to get down there. I really don't think they are the same person.